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      The feature documented at https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Changing+the+Sequential+Order+of+Pages?focusedCommentId=420184815&=#ChangingtheSequentialOrderofPages-Changingthepageordertoalphabetical is great, but it would be truly wonderful if reverse-sort were an option, particularly to support the Meeting Notes blueprint. Out-of-the-box use of Meeting Notes will produce a page tree that looks like this:

      • Meeting Notes
        • 2013-10-25 Meeting Notes
        • 2013-10-26 Meeting Notes
        • 2013-10-27 Meeting Notes

      It's pretty clear imho that it's much more desirable to keep the latest meeting notes on top, as in:

      • Meeting Notes
        • 2013-10-27 Meeting Notes
        • 2013-10-26 Meeting Notes
        • 2013-10-25 Meeting Notes

      But there is not a nice mechanism for making this happen without resorting to manual re-ordering. Imposing a simple reverse-alphabetical sort on the Meeting Notes child pages would do it (assuming an appropriate naming convention were used - like the one that the out-of-the-box Meeting Notes blueprint suggests).

            [CONFSERVER-31358] Expand page order alphabetical sort to allow reverse sort

            This is a stupid simple thing and very needed for notes and date value sorting.

            Matthew Beda added a comment - This is a stupid simple thing and very needed for notes and date value sorting.

            YES, please.

            Mark Mulert added a comment - YES, please.

            The reason Atlassian products get such little traction in the businesses I support is simply that they add so much 'fluff' features that get pushed out to everyone that just makes for convoluted UI and all the basics of usability just go ignored.

            The basic request for having page sort order options that are useful seems to be typical of Atlassian, it's 100% design by committee.. I never asked for white boards and all the other 'fluff' yet it's rammed down my throat because rather than have options for all the features which I can selectively turn on, they are hardcoded for me to just make the UI messier and any efficient workflow needlessly hampered.

            Come on, adding Z-A and 'Changed Date ASC' and 'Changed Date DESC' would be childs play considering it's basic SQL..

             

            The tools are fast becoming so half baked that they are of no use to anyone, it's just fluff/tat and half implemented functionality added that are hardcoded to pollute your UI.. Do better!

            Phil Tolson added a comment - The reason Atlassian products get such little traction in the businesses I support is simply that they add so much 'fluff' features that get pushed out to everyone that just makes for convoluted UI and all the basics of usability just go ignored. The basic request for having page sort order options that are useful seems to be typical of Atlassian, it's 100% design by committee.. I never asked for white boards and all the other 'fluff' yet it's rammed down my throat because rather than have options for all the features which I can selectively turn on, they are hardcoded for me to just make the UI messier and any efficient workflow needlessly hampered. Come on, adding Z-A and 'Changed Date ASC' and 'Changed Date DESC' would be childs play considering it's basic SQL..   The tools are fast becoming so half baked that they are of no use to anyone, it's just fluff/tat and half implemented functionality added that are hardcoded to pollute your UI.. Do better!

            This feature has been requested in 2013, has 250+ votes and still not even assigned, let alone implemented in 2024. Seriously @atlassian?

            Alexandr Asmalovský added a comment - This feature has been requested in 2013, has 250+ votes and still not even assigned, let alone implemented in 2024. Seriously @atlassian?

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            +

            I would really benefit from this issue being addressed, for meeting notes especially

             

            Izzy Bryenton added a comment - I would really benefit from this issue being addressed, for meeting notes especially  

            Happy Birthday CONFSERVER-31358 (10 years old yesterday)!

            Please implement a fix (the best solution imho, this shouldn't be so hard) or simply put this ticket in the state "Won't Do".

            Rouvinez J.-C. added a comment - Happy Birthday CONFSERVER-31358 (10 years old yesterday)! Please implement a fix (the best solution imho, this shouldn't be so hard) or simply put this ticket in the state "Won't Do".

            jagercode added a comment -

            Dear @Atlassian,

            I am slightly worried that this issue is unassigned. I am afraid it is being overlooked, as it seems a low hanging fruit function to me. Is there anybody listening or watching at all?

            (As a side note, at our corp we require all issues to be always assigned to someone. By default to the product owner or project lead.)

            jagercode added a comment - Dear @Atlassian, I am slightly worried that this issue is unassigned . I am afraid it is being overlooked, as it seems a low hanging fruit function to me. Is there anybody listening or watching at all? (As a side note, at our corp we require all issues to be always assigned to someone. By default to the product owner or project lead.)

            This ticket is 10 years old, can we please get some movement? 

            Kristen Bond added a comment - This ticket is 10 years old, can we please get some movement? 

            Yes much needed feature for Meeting Notes specifically

            Gajbhiye, Sandeep added a comment - Yes much needed feature for Meeting Notes specifically

            Super Upvote for implementing this feature. 

            Surabhi Chouhan added a comment - Super Upvote for implementing this feature.  

            JC added a comment -

            We (I think that I am not alone...) would greatly appreciate this feature. Why does it take so long?

            JC added a comment - We (I think that I am not alone...) would greatly appreciate this feature. Why does it take so long?

            daniel added a comment -

            Wow this has been here since 2013 — Atlassian has a 10 year backlog!

            daniel added a comment - Wow this has been here since 2013 — Atlassian has a 10 year backlog!

            Echoing the question posed by several others in this thread - why is this not already present? This will complicate getting people to accept Confluence as a source of meeting notes.

            Rodney Marable added a comment - Echoing the question posed by several others in this thread - why is this not already present? This will complicate getting people to accept Confluence as a source of meeting notes.

            jagercode added a comment -

            I am both astounded and disappointed that such trivial and much desired functionality takes sooo long to develop.

            jagercode added a comment - I am both astounded and disappointed that such trivial and much desired functionality takes sooo long to develop.

            @b1db76113610, you can use the "page-tree.partial-loading-batch-size" system property to increase the number of pages shown, or use "page-tree.partial-loading.disable=true" to always show all pages (see https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/recognized-system-properties-190430.html for instructions). This won't solve the reverse sorting issue of course, but at least will save your team from having to click on "Show all pages" every time.

            Martin Richter added a comment - @ b1db76113610 , you can use the "page-tree.partial-loading-batch-size" system property to increase the number of pages shown, or use "page-tree.partial-loading.disable=true" to always show all pages (see https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/recognized-system-properties-190430.html for instructions). This won't solve the reverse sorting issue of course, but at least will save your team from having to click on "Show all pages" every time.

            I am using this for a large enterprise, and as soon as you have a project that is going past a few months with a big team, this lack of reverse-sort on the meeting notes becomes untenable. Our team is stuck scrolling, clicking "Show all pages", and then scrolling some more. Please address soon! 

            Jonathan Wrobel added a comment - I am using this for a large enterprise, and as soon as you have a project that is going past a few months with a big team, this lack of reverse-sort on the meeting notes becomes untenable. Our team is stuck scrolling, clicking "Show all pages", and then scrolling some more. Please address soon! 

            Guys really? 2013 creation date....

            Matteo Tontini added a comment - Guys really? 2013 creation date....

            Any chance this can be addressed?

            Marie Jurik added a comment - Any chance this can be addressed?

            Sung Bae added a comment -

            Any updates on this? This would be really useful. 

            Sung Bae added a comment - Any updates on this? This would be really useful. 

            Unbelievable that such basic feature is not available and issue is still open after 9 years...

            Grzegorz Korba added a comment - Unbelievable that such basic feature is not available and issue is still open after 9 years...

            Just spent like 3 hours to figure out, what is wrong with clients Confluence, that only A-Z do appear but not Z-A. 

            This is sooo frustrating. 

            Tomáš Vrabec added a comment - Just spent like 3 hours to figure out, what is wrong with clients Confluence, that only A-Z do appear but not Z-A.  This is sooo frustrating. 

            I agree. There should be an option to sort pages Z to A / reverse chronological order.

            KRAMER, JILON added a comment - I agree. There should be an option to sort pages Z to A / reverse chronological order.

            Mark Mulik added a comment -

            Very interested in this, too. In my use case, I display child pages in the sidebar for a space. The child pages are for meeting agendas and meeting minutes, which are sorted in alphabetical order. As the page names include the date and the meeting name, that means they all sort by date, with the older stuff at the top (we have been using Confluence in production for less than one year) and the newer stuff at the bottom. As I would like to encourage users to use the space to find content passively, it is unintuitive that they have to drill down in the list of child pages to find the newest content, their entry to the pages is via hyperlinks I send them. 

             

            I would think the default option would be reverse chronological order, so it's confusing that's not an option at all. 

             

            Atlassian, if you build this feature, options to sort by Z to A, chronological order and reverse chronological order would be good – with options to use either the create date or the modified date. 

             

            Thanks.

            Mark Mulik added a comment - Very interested in this, too. In my use case, I display child pages in the sidebar for a space. The child pages are for meeting agendas and meeting minutes, which are sorted in alphabetical order. As the page names include the date and the meeting name, that means they all sort by date, with the older stuff at the top (we have been using Confluence in production for less than one year) and the newer stuff at the bottom. As I would like to encourage users to use the space to find content passively, it is unintuitive that they have to drill down in the list of child pages to find the newest content, their entry to the pages is via hyperlinks I send them.    I would think the default option would be reverse chronological order, so it's confusing that's not an option at all.    Atlassian, if you build this feature, options to sort by Z to A, chronological order and reverse chronological order would be good – with options to use either the create date or the modified date.    Thanks.

            Super annoying indeed.

            Stephan Bachofen added a comment - Super annoying indeed.

            Adding a +1, as in addition to votes comments also count towards being considered by Atlassian
            I agree that if you implement sorting it is technically trivial do to both ascending and descending.

            And the mentioned use case of sorting dates and wanting to have the newest on top is certainly a common requirement.

            Didier Leimbach added a comment - Adding a +1, as in addition to votes comments also count towards being considered by Atlassian I agree that if you implement sorting it is technically trivial do to both ascending and descending. And the mentioned use case of sorting dates and wanting to have the newest on top is certainly a common requirement.

            Vien Phan added a comment - - edited

            I wondered "how many votes will count" and tried to look.
            Check the current top voted issue, guys: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-23015

            See its votes? its creation date?

            I'm speechless. Won't be waiting for this sorting feature any more.

            Vien Phan added a comment - - edited I wondered "how many votes will count" and tried to look. Check the current top voted issue, guys: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/CONFSERVER-23015 See its votes? its creation date? I'm speechless. Won't be waiting for this sorting feature any more.

            Vien Phan added a comment -

            I did same work around, @AndiY. Luckily we have it

            But work around is never a solution, a feature will be really appreciated, dear @Atlassian brains!

            Vien Phan added a comment - I did same work around, @AndiY. Luckily we have it But work around is never a solution, a feature will be really appreciated, dear @Atlassian brains!

            AndiY added a comment -

            we would also like to have this. i'm really disappointed that a company like Atlassian with such a big, great product like Confluence does not have this implanted by default.

            as mentioned before - a no brainer.

            i really wonder that there is not more request for such a basic, essential functionality.

            hopefully this will be implemented soon.

            as a workaround we are currently using a page-tree-macro on the parent page. here the sorting is available.

             

            thanks

            AndiY added a comment - we would also like to have this. i'm really disappointed that a company like Atlassian with such a big, great product like Confluence does not have this implanted by default. as mentioned before - a no brainer. i really wonder that there is not more request for such a basic, essential functionality. hopefully this will be implemented soon. as a workaround we are currently using a page-tree-macro on the parent page. here the sorting is available.   thanks

            seems a no brainer, reversing order of meeting notes with dates in the title gives us a lot less to scroll...

            Regenass Beat added a comment - seems a no brainer, reversing order of meeting notes with dates in the title gives us a lot less to scroll...

            Mathew added a comment -

            Our team needs this feature.

            It will automatically show latest log summary at top.

            And for another Macro 'Child Tabs', it will automatically activate the first child of selected page.

            We'd like it to always activate and display the latest one when newly added.

            So we'd like this Z->A sort feature.

            Thank you for your time.

            Mathew added a comment - Our team needs this feature. It will automatically show latest log summary at top. And for another Macro 'Child Tabs', it will automatically activate the first child of selected page. We'd like it to always activate and display the latest one when newly added. So we'd like this Z->A sort feature. Thank you for your time.

            Stefan F. added a comment -

            I don't understand this at all.
            From developer point of view, it should be an easy task. So it has to be a political, strategic or design decision to not implement this.
            Maybe @Atlassian can help us what's behind?

            Stefan F. added a comment - I don't understand this at all. From developer point of view, it should be an easy task. So it has to be a political, strategic or design decision to not implement this. Maybe @Atlassian can help us what's behind?

            Having this feature will reduce the need for me to sort my pages every week. 2 mins saved/ week so 104 minutes per year roughly. 

            Sachin Mathur added a comment - Having this feature will reduce the need for me to sort my pages every week. 2 mins saved/ week so 104 minutes per year roughly. 

            CoeoIT added a comment - - edited

            @jm.cao thx got it to work 

            Its a bit sad that there is no implemented solution,

            even when a coded and working workaround is already present.

            CoeoIT added a comment - - edited @ jm.cao thx got it to work  Its a bit sad that there is no implemented solution, even when a coded and working workaround is already present.

            Same "shocked and surprised" as you, Vien Phan

            How many more votes Atlassian needs to handle this issue??? 

            5 years!!!!

            No greetings anymore

            Christiane

            Christiane K. added a comment - Same "shocked and surprised" as you, Vien Phan How many more votes Atlassian needs to handle this issue???  5 years!!!! No greetings anymore Christiane

            Vien Phan added a comment -

            I'm really surprised knowing that this issue stay unresolved for so long time since its creation.

            Voted for super helpful function.

            Vien Phan added a comment - I'm really surprised knowing that this issue stay unresolved for so long time since its creation. Voted for super helpful function.

            The reverse alphabetical sort would be really helpful. Especially for Meeting Notes

            I agree to Mrs Klinkenberg that this workaround is nothing you can do for a big company with hundreds of Spaces.

             

            Voted for this issue.

            Patrick Deng-Neumann added a comment - The reverse alphabetical sort would be really helpful. Especially for Meeting Notes I agree to Mrs Klinkenberg that this workaround is nothing you can do for a big company with hundreds of Spaces.   Voted for this issue.

            Hello @jm.cao,

             

            this does only work if you are a Admin, and this will not do in a big company, adding some stylesheets to ALL spaces. Even if this is only one single setting. With a new release, all of thoise settings must be checked whether they still work or not.

             

            MUCH BETTER WOULD BE IF ATLASSIAN WOULD RESOLVE THE PROBLEM ITSELF, really awkward, that this cannot be done within 6 years of investigations!!!!!!!!

             

            Greetings Christiane

            Christiane K. added a comment - Hello @ jm.cao ,   this does only work if you are a Admin, and this will not do in a big company, adding some stylesheets to ALL spaces. Even if this is only one single setting. With a new release, all of thoise settings must be checked whether they still work or not.   MUCH BETTER WOULD BE IF ATLASSIAN WOULD RESOLVE THE PROBLEM ITSELF, really awkward, that this cannot be done within 6 years of investigations!!!!!!!!   Greetings Christiane

            Hello @jm.cao

            Thanks, I will try it.

            Greetings Christiane

            Christiane K. added a comment - Hello @ jm.cao Thanks, I will try it. Greetings Christiane

            Josep M. Cao added a comment - - edited

            Hello! You need to be an administrator. The version doesn't matter, mine is 5.10.8 but my dev enviroment is 6.8.2 and the option is there too, look:

            I found this too:

            Note: By default, only system administrators can edit the CSS for a space or for the site. To allow any user with Space Admin permissions to edit the CSS for a space, go to   > General Configuration > Security Configuration and select  Custom Stylesheets for Spaces.

            Hope it helps!

             

            Josep M. Cao added a comment - - edited Hello! You need to be an administrator. The version doesn't matter, mine is 5.10.8 but my dev enviroment is 6.8.2 and the option is there too, look: I found this too: Note:  By default, only system administrators can edit the CSS for a space or for the site. To allow any user with Space Admin permissions to edit the CSS for a space, go to   >  General Configuration  >  Security Configuration  and select   Custom Stylesheets for Spaces . Hope it helps!  

            Hi jm.cao ,

             

            this sounds great, but I cannot follow your explanaition

            1) which version of Confluence do you use?

            2) which -> Stylesheet do you mean. I can only see the "PDF stylesheet", which you do not mean, I suppose?

            This is what I see:

             

             

            Thanks for explaining a bit more.

            Greetings Christiane Klinkenberg

            Christiane K. added a comment - Hi  jm.cao  ,   this sounds great, but I cannot follow your explanaition 1) which version of Confluence do you use? 2) which -> Stylesheet do you mean. I can only see the "PDF stylesheet", which you do not mean, I suppose? This is what I see:     Thanks for explaining a bit more. Greetings Christiane Klinkenberg

            Hi! I found a solution. You just have to inspect the parent element you want to reverse order and save the id of the ul element. For example: child_ul9699828-0

            Then you go to space tools -> look and feel -> Stylesheet

            There,  you have to edit and paste the following:

            ul#child_ul9699828-0

            { display:flex; flex-direction:column-reverse; }

             

            And voilà! 

            Josep M. Cao added a comment - Hi! I found a solution. You just have to inspect the parent element you want to reverse order and save the id of the ul element. For example: child_ul9699828-0 Then you go to space tools -> look and feel -> Stylesheet There,  you have to edit and paste the following: ul#child_ul9699828-0 { display:flex; flex-direction:column-reverse; }   And voilà! 

            This would be a great addition to Confluence!

            Jeff Little added a comment - This would be a great addition to Confluence!

            It would be very useful to have this work on the sidebar page tree.

            Simon Greenwold added a comment - It would be very useful to have this work on the sidebar page tree.

            I am wondering what our customer would say if they asked for a feature for years and getting NO answer at all.

            So, what news about this feature???

             

            Christiane K. added a comment - I am wondering what our customer would say if they asked for a feature for years and getting NO answer at all. So, what news about this feature???  

            Any news on this topic?

            jan.leonhard added a comment - Any news on this topic?

            This would be a very useful feature. Is commenting here the best mechanism for 'up-voting' this?

            mattypenny added a comment - This would be a very useful feature. Is commenting here the best mechanism for 'up-voting' this?

            I'm also wondering whether there are any news ?

            Greetings Christiane

            Christiane K. added a comment - I'm also wondering whether there are any news ? Greetings Christiane

            Rob Vriens added a comment -

            Any news on the introduction of this valuable feature?

            Rob Vriens added a comment - Any news on the introduction of this valuable feature?

            Stefan F. added a comment -

            Some of our pages have a date in the title.
            Currently it's not possible to see the latest pages on the top.

            Stefan F. added a comment - Some of our pages have a date in the title. Currently it's not possible to see the latest pages on the top.

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