The norm in HTML and many other applications (e.g., Word) is that bullets in lists appear differently depending on how deeply the list is indented. HTML's norm is:
      *Solid disc on first level.
      *Open disc on second level.
      *Solid square in third and deeper levels.

      Confluence instead forces a solid disc on all levels in the HTML output. Curiously, Confluence correctly provides differentiated bullets in PDF and Word exports.

      I'm sure I could hack something (CSS? theme?) to fix this, but the default behavior of well-designed applications never changes norms unless there is value in doing so.

      There is no value in overriding useful, differentiated bullets with more opaque, homogeneous discs, so the default HTML behavior should have been preserved.

            [CONFSERVER-12263] Bullet list styles do not differentiate upon indent

            Michael Faux added a comment - - edited
            • +1 for
              • differentiated bullet styles in Confluence Cloud (OnDemand)

            Michael Faux added a comment - - edited +1 for differentiated bullet styles in Confluence Cloud (OnDemand)

            Sean Ayres added a comment -

            It seems like 3.3 is complete ignoring these style sheet changes. Is there any reason for this?

            Sean Ayres added a comment - It seems like 3.3 is complete ignoring these style sheet changes. Is there any reason for this?

            thanks. the ordered list style already looked right to me, so i didn't copy those entries. i took the unordered list styles which made bulleted lists appear as i'm used to.

            Michael Grove added a comment - thanks. the ordered list style already looked right to me, so i didn't copy those entries. i took the unordered list styles which made bulleted lists appear as i'm used to.

            Agnes Ro added a comment -

            The only way to support 'normal' based indentation is to override our styles.

            The following code will support up to ten nested elements, which you can use in the global/space stylesheets.

            .wiki-content ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul {
               list-style-type: disc;
            }
            
            
            .wiki-content ul ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul {
               list-style-type: circle;
            }
            
            .wiki-content ul ul ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul,
            .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul {
               list-style-type: square;
            }
            
            .wiki-content ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol {
               list-style-type: decimal;
            }
            
            .wiki-content ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol {
               list-style-type: lower-alpha;
            }
            
            .wiki-content ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol,
            .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol {
               list-style-type: lower-roman;
            }
            

            Agnes Ro added a comment - The only way to support 'normal' based indentation is to override our styles. The following code will support up to ten nested elements, which you can use in the global/space stylesheets. .wiki-content ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul { list-style-type: disc; } .wiki-content ul ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul { list-style-type: circle; } .wiki-content ul ul ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul, .wiki-content ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul ul { list-style-type: square; } .wiki-content ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol { list-style-type: decimal; } .wiki-content ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol { list-style-type: lower-alpha; } .wiki-content ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol, .wiki-content ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol ol { list-style-type: lower-roman; }

            could someone post the css configuration an admin could specify to make bullets display the "normal" way based on indentation (solid disc, open disc, solid square, etc.)

            thanks.

            Michael Grove added a comment - could someone post the css configuration an admin could specify to make bullets display the "normal" way based on indentation (solid disc, open disc, solid square, etc.) thanks.

            Aren Cambre added a comment - - edited

            This supposed "consistency" is a regression: it removes useful visual cues that help readers quickly understand the context of a list item. And it's inconsistent with the rest of the world, where different indentation levels = different bullets.

            Several times already I have gotten confused on bulleted lists because all the bullets seem to run together.

            Please have your designers reconsider this bizarre, unjustifiable choice: there is no value whatsoever in "consistent" bullets.

            It's nice that Atlassian will allowing me to alter this in 2.10. However, Confluence should adhere to commonly accepted norms (e.g., differentiated bullets) and allow changes for the minority who don't want the norm, not vice versa.

            Aren Cambre added a comment - - edited This supposed "consistency" is a regression: it removes useful visual cues that help readers quickly understand the context of a list item. And it's inconsistent with the rest of the world, where different indentation levels = different bullets. Several times already I have gotten confused on bulleted lists because all the bullets seem to run together. Please have your designers reconsider this bizarre, unjustifiable choice: there is no value whatsoever in "consistent" bullets. It's nice that Atlassian will allowing me to alter this in 2.10. However, Confluence should adhere to commonly accepted norms (e.g., differentiated bullets) and allow changes for the minority who don't want the norm, not vice versa.

            Agnes Ro added a comment -

            You will however be able to add custom stylesheets in Confluence 2.10. This means you can override our bullet styles easily with css.

            Agnes Ro added a comment - You will however be able to add custom stylesheets in Confluence 2.10. This means you can override our bullet styles easily with css.

            Agnes Ro added a comment -

            Sorry, this actually won't be fixed.

            I have reverted my changes after talking to various people on the team. Bullet styles were changed to be consistent on purpose and instead the indents were increased (Confluence 2.6).

            Agnes Ro added a comment - Sorry, this actually won't be fixed. I have reverted my changes after talking to various people on the team. Bullet styles were changed to be consistent on purpose and instead the indents were increased (Confluence 2.6).

            Agnes Ro added a comment -

            Fixed for 2.10m5.

            Bullet list styles for different indentation levels have been put back in.

            Agnes Ro added a comment - Fixed for 2.10m5. Bullet list styles for different indentation levels have been put back in.

            Don Willis added a comment -

            Confluence used to use the standard list types in version 2.5 and before. Interestingly even deliberately specifying a different list style doesn't deviate from the disc (tested on FF3 and safari). This change certainly seems to be deliberate.

            Eg

            * list 1 item 1
            * list 1 item 2
            
            - list 2 item 1
            - list 2 item 2
            

            produces identical list item icons.

            Don Willis added a comment - Confluence used to use the standard list types in version 2.5 and before. Interestingly even deliberately specifying a different list style doesn't deviate from the disc (tested on FF3 and safari). This change certainly seems to be deliberate. Eg * list 1 item 1 * list 1 item 2 - list 2 item 1 - list 2 item 2 produces identical list item icons.

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