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Key: JRA-11125
Type: Improvement Improvement
Status: Resolved Resolved
Resolution: Obsolete
Priority: Critical Critical
Assignee: Unassigned
Reporter: Phil Haar
Votes: 66
Watchers: 54
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JIRA 4.0 Enterprise Requirements

Created: 15/Sep/06 10:39 AM   Updated: 22/Feb/08 02:37 PM
Component/s: User Management, Web interface, Extensions, Filtering & Indexing, Administration, Permissions Security, Reports, Custom Fields, Performance, Issue navigator, Time Tracking, Issue Fields, Project Management
Affects Version/s: 3.6 Enterprise
Fix Version/s: None

Time Tracking:
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Participants: Adam Cameron, Anton Mazkovoi [Atlassian], Bart Selders, Darren Bell, Frank Stiller, Gavin Bee, Geoff Metselaar, Henk Binnendijk, Ivan Kulchytskyy, Jeff Heinen, Jörg Herborg, Neal Applebaum, Phil Haar, Reid Sayre, Sam Gaw, Scott Farquhar [Atlassian], Thorsten Wieszt, Tom Miller and yuval yeret
Since last comment: 11 weeks, 5 days ago
Resolution Date: 11/Apr/07 07:55 PM
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This issue is an open petition to Atlassian. We believe that JIRA is missing a number of features that prevent it from being truly enterprise-ready. We are not asking to have these issues addressed immediately, but we do believe that our maintenance agreement for JIRA enterprise entitles us to some consideration of how these issues fit into the JIRA roadmap.

If you are an enterprise customer, please consider not only voting for this issue but also comment to indicate that you are signing this petition.

Also feel free to link in other issues that I have been missed. Any issues that I link will meet the following criteria:

  1. Major functionality change, either an improvement or a new feature.
  2. Likely to be high priority for a customer of JIRA enterprise.
  3. Identified for quite some time (most over a year, often multiple years).
  4. Not scheduled for any version of JIRA.
  5. May have comments about bumping it back from release to release.
  6. Typically has a high number of votes and watchers.

For more details on why I felt it necessary to create this issue, consider reading my <RANT> on JRA-1549.



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Neal Applebaum - 15/Sep/06 03:46 PM
I was planning to make a similar list, although with the angle of a list of issues that prevent it from being usable as a helpdesk. Phil, do you mind if I also include those issues? For me, it's great to have other users contribute code to achieve what I need, but something as crucial as assigning security based on reporter makes it completely unsuable for a support helpdesk. I can't even filter by customer unless I use the unsupported "Domain of reporter" field, which won't work if the same client has people with different domains in their email address.

support.atlassian.com has the same problem in that I cannot ask my colleague at work to look at my support issue without giving him my login. And Atlassian is cheating around some of the missing functionality by having (at least) 3 different instances running on 3 servers. So they can configure each differently.


Bart Selders - 17/Sep/06 10:34 AM
As enterprise customer I fully support your petition, and I also fully agree with Neal's comment.

Phil Haar - 18/Sep/06 09:58 AM
Neal, go ahead and list any of the helpdesk features. We are also looking to integrate our helpdesk and development management environments, to give a single view of all work assigned/done within the department.

Darren Bell - 20/Sep/06 10:51 AM
We currently run Peoplesoft Helpdesk and it is waaaaay overkill for our needs. We need a way to create an authorisation workflow that can use a template.

For example you a user wants to be added to an Active Directory Group. We have a list of groups and their owners, so we'd need a way of selecting from a list of groups and the ticket (or sub task) to be assigned to the owner. They would then hit Approve of Reject.

This simple example would solve a great many help desk issues for us.

Also, we would like parallel approvals. In other words an approval needs to be sought from more than one person before the next step. I believe this is forking and merging.

Anyway, this is a start. I'll add more after i've met with our helpdesk.


Anton Mazkovoi [Atlassian] - 22/Sep/06 04:55 AM
Hi,

I would like to thank everyone for their input. We are taking your comments on board.

I am hoping to reply with something more useful some time next week after we have a chance to discuss internally.

Cheers,
Anton


Scott Farquhar [Atlassian] - 07/Oct/06 07:07 AM
I will address this issue separately, but just to let people know that I have added a comment to the original ticket over here:

http://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-1549#action_65655

Cheers,
Scott


yuval yeret - 24/Oct/06 01:50 AM
As an enterprise user I fully support the petition, although I have a preference for several of the issues there (as can be seen from my votes), and have other issues I consider enterprise-worthy as well.

Thorsten Wieszt - 25/Oct/06 04:19 AM

I'm also an enterprise user and support this petition. Our company is waiting very wishfully for assignee restrictions in workflows (JRA-6381). We are having a lot of trouble with workflow assignments to the wrong people.

Cheers,
Thorsten


Geoff Metselaar - 07/Nov/06 06:06 AM
I'm in complete agreement with this partition - also an Enterprise user. Having just read "A sneek peek at Jira 3.7" blog describing project roles. It sounded like something we've been waiting for particulary if Project Leads can have project scoped admin rights - allowing them to add / remove users to their project. - JRA-3156 (I've linked this ) Unfortunately, it's not part of the release which is disappointing as this is a much requested feature.

I'm struggling to understand how features / improvements get prioritised. The customer voting system seems to count for nothing. This is the second most requested feature (188 votes) and yet the feature with the most votes (30) in release 3.7 ranks only about 50-th in the list.

Also, as a "Enterprise" badged application more development needs to been done to support Enterprise authorisation / authentication mechanisms eg ldaps and kerberos single sign-on.

Cheers ......... Geoff


Adam Cameron - 07/Nov/06 06:55 AM
I too agree. My chief bugbear is the user management system in Jira; I'm less concerned about it being able to be farmed out to an external system such as an LDAP-queryable directory, but more interested in the in-built one being augmented so it's "fit for purpose" (which I don't think it is) for an Enterprise system. I hasten to add I think it's fine for a non-enterprise system; but not for one claiming to be enterprise. I am a firm believer that one should not claim to be something that one is not.

The particularly important areas as:

  • separate the primary keys on the users and groups tables from the login name, so that users and groups can be renamed.
  • project-level admins.
  • hierarchical user manager (basically users associated with a project, not the whole system)
  • build a decent UI for the whole thing.

The main non-user-system requirements I need are:

  • hierarchical components ("sub components")
  • editing comments

As far as how the prioritisation goes, I would hazard a guess that it's along the lines of a former employer I had (in the software game):

  • Build shiny new bells and whistles that will attract new sales. Because new sales means more money.
  • Sideline issues from existing clients because we've already got their money (and not thinking that established clients are a lot easier to get MORE money out of, than making new clients).

Note: the above policy is that of my former employer. I'm not saying Atlassian are THAT cynical, but I suspect that "new clients" vs "existing clients" is a major consideration in how they plan their releases. I agree with the basics of that policy, but I think the balance here is a bit out of whack.


Neal Applebaum - 08/Nov/06 08:52 AM
Adam,

You said:

along the lines of a former employer I had (in the software game): Build shiny new bells and whistles that will attract new sales. Because new sales means more money. Sideline issues from existing clients because we've already got their money (and not thinking that established clients are a lot easier to get MORE money out of, than making new clients).

I think we must have worked for the same person ...
and being in Quality Assurance, my goals always conflicted with his. Having said that, I don't think that's really Atlassian's philosophy. They have certainly implemented many enhancements, including many of my requests, since I went live with 3.03, including screens in 3.2 and many improvements in 3.6. Still, some of the high profile issues like those linked here are IMHO far more important than WIKI rendered comments and project roles, major enhancements in recent/upcoming releases.

I do understand that even with the growth Atlassian has seen there are limited resources. What I don't understand is how users like us are able to create the missing functionality (e.g. JRA-1100) while Atlassian can't find the time or resources to do it. Anyway, I'm glad I chose JIRA (twice ), and I look forward to the product maturing even more.


Jeff Heinen - 08/Nov/06 12:34 PM
I might point out that the voting system may not be a totally accurate view of the desire for a particular feature. They are the views of the subset of JIRA-users who created accounts and who use the voting system. I am sure there are feature requests that arive via phone, email and possibly even fax. We can't sure be sure of the numbers of requests from outside sources.

That said, there are items that would help me, or that my users have been asking that are on this list. And while I may not agree with the decisions, I know I'm not the only administrator that they need to code features for, I'm going to trust whoever they have as a Product Manager to strike the balence between new users (and new money) and current users (and recurring license money). I'd rather have this a tool that grows and matures then one that fails because it was listening only to a subset of its install base.


Reid Sayre - 18/Dec/06 08:38 AM
For those that are not up to LDAP yet, some kind of registration confirmation is required. See JRA-3619.

Henk Binnendijk - 09/Feb/07 08:37 AM
As enterprise customer I fully support this petition as well. I am mainly interested in the restriction possibilies of time tracking fields. These fields should only be of my companies internal interrest, however we have a lot of external customers who now can see those fields too....

Gavin Bee - 21/Feb/07 11:32 PM
JRA-12241 brings all of the sub-project, sub-component, and product suite attempts to bring related issues into one place.

Jörg Herborg - 02/Apr/07 08:01 AM
I'm also an enterprise user and support this petition. Our company is waiting very wishfully for handling linked issues as decribed in JRA-2735.

Ivan Kulchytskyy - 03/Apr/07 03:54 AM - edited

Anton Mazkovoi [Atlassian] - 11/Apr/07 07:55 PM
Hi,

I would like to thank everyone for their comments and input. We can see that this issue is a good "hub" for recording the features you believe are important for enterprise deployments.

This issue, however, does not help us prioritise between features that you believe are important. Due to the number of issues mentioned here,and the complexity of some of them, we will not be able to implement them all at once. Quite a few JIRA customers are voting for this issue, and while the popularity of the whole list goes up, it does not help us organise the issues in order of importance.

Due to this reason, we would like to resolve this issue, and ask you to vote for the actual individual features that are important to you. This will greatly help us to prioritise them.

Thank you for your help and understanding.


Jeff Heinen - 12/Apr/07 01:41 PM
The one thing I liked about this was the collection of links and issues that I otherwise did not know about. How about if someone made a confluence page these items? That was people can still share and comment about issues, and all of the voting is done on a per-issue basis.


Frank Stiller - 22/May/07 06:01 AM
i dont see the advantage between a link list in confluence and in jira.

For tracking purposes i even find the jira list better. The votes are still done in jira, and in confluence there isnt any added content, is it?

it's just for my understanding